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18-Dec-2019 18:51

Finally, on Thursday, Trent will wrap up the series with a rejoinder.I would like to provide responses to the arguments and evidence that Richard Carrier offers to rebut my argument that Jesus existed.It’s true that Christianity, Islam, and Mormonism each had a founder who organized a movement that spread rapidly, but in each case the movement’s early writings point to that founder being a historical individual: Jesus, Muhammad, and Joseph Smith.

All this indicates that Jesus was a real, historical individual. And, in 1 Timothy he writes that Jesus “made the good confession..his testimony before Pontius Pilate” (1 Tim. Some would challenge the last document as post-Pauline, though not the former two, and the former two provide further indications that Jesus was a historical individual who gave instructions to his followers on a specific night, on which he was then betrayed; who was killed through the agency of earthly individuals, who also killed the prophets and drove Paul and others out of Judea (cf. ); and who was then “buried.” This is all consistent with the idea that Jesus was a historical individual who lived, died, and was buried on earth, and there is no indication of this taking place in “the lower heavens.” Carrier acknowledges that the same logic used to support the existence of a historical Jesus also points to the existence of a historical Muhammad as the founder of Islam.The earliest specific accounts that we have of that question must include the gospels and Acts, which clearly point to a historical Jesus as the founder of the movement.These documents are nowhere near so late as Carrier seems to think, but even setting that aside, what can we learn from Paul?So how does Paul indicate that Jesus related to the others?Paul indicates that some of them were his brothers.

All this indicates that Jesus was a real, historical individual. And, in 1 Timothy he writes that Jesus “made the good confession..his testimony before Pontius Pilate” (1 Tim. Some would challenge the last document as post-Pauline, though not the former two, and the former two provide further indications that Jesus was a historical individual who gave instructions to his followers on a specific night, on which he was then betrayed; who was killed through the agency of earthly individuals, who also killed the prophets and drove Paul and others out of Judea (cf. ); and who was then “buried.” This is all consistent with the idea that Jesus was a historical individual who lived, died, and was buried on earth, and there is no indication of this taking place in “the lower heavens.” Carrier acknowledges that the same logic used to support the existence of a historical Jesus also points to the existence of a historical Muhammad as the founder of Islam.

The earliest specific accounts that we have of that question must include the gospels and Acts, which clearly point to a historical Jesus as the founder of the movement.

These documents are nowhere near so late as Carrier seems to think, but even setting that aside, what can we learn from Paul?

So how does Paul indicate that Jesus related to the others?

Paul indicates that some of them were his brothers.

When Paul mentions Jesus communicating with and sending apostles, it is always in the context of revelations." Carrier appears to misunderstand the reference to “the earliest accounts” to mean “the early Christian documents we have.” The subject at hand was who the “founding leader” of Christianity may have been.